Existentialism and Vampires



  • @scarecrow Maaaaan, I’ve thought way too much about this shit. No idea what the answer is on Sang + V5 but taking a holistic view from the perspectives of (20A) VtM, WtA and MtA, I’ve always considered the Beast individual to each person, as I see it as a warping/corrupting of the human’s ‘soul’. That’s all a Vampire is; a soul that permeates through blood in a static husk.
    And it sorta makes sense since, without getting into too much of the lore/detail, Vampires can’t become Mages and (except for those with incredibly high Humanity) are always ‘corrupt’ to Werewolves. Also diablerie. Sucking the soul out of the body.
    Gives an interesting perspective on Blood Bonds, too! Soul-touching and all that stuff.


  • Hilt

    We may want to move Beast Ontogeny to its own thread to keep the two discussions follow-along-able.


  • Lead Storytellers Administrators

    Each Beast is different and each Beast is the same. In a nutshell.

    To further explain:

    The Beast is just that, a Beast. An animal. An animal that wants what it wants when it wants is BUT is kept under control by the Human within who it resides.

    You can compare it to Lion-

    Lions can be tamed, trained, caged- but they are still a lion with lion instincts. How many of you remember Sigfried and Roy in Las Vegas? They treated their lions like children and had a successful act for many, many years. One day, a lion turned and attacked. Something within that lion drove him to do that.

    So it is with the Beast. Each Vampire can tame and cage it. Each vampire nightly does a little dance with their Beast wherein they feed it - just a little bit- to keep it sated. Or at least, not ravenous. They feed it by manipulating and conniving and using those around them. Blood and treachery keep the Beast “satisfied” to a point. But there always comes a time when it will burst free. In may be during an argument (This is not rolled enough) or when embarrassed (Same with this) or during danger (Same) or fear (Same) or, the one we see the most of, when it is feeding.

    If you wait too long to sate the Beast- you go too long between hunts and I do mean hunts, you deny your anger as a Brujah, keep yourself away from beauty too long as a Toreador, not indulge your animalistic urges as a Gangrel, hide away your true visage as a Nosferatu, deny the voices in your head that give you insight as a Malkavian, etc etc…all of these can pick at the Beast like a human chips away the control you have over your Beast. This is why your Vampire is NEVER fully, truly sated unless it kills. It is ALWAYS hungry. That is the Beast reminding you it exists. This is why Vampires can NEVER remain at high humanity. Eventually, it becomes too hard to deny it and it’s easier to give in.

    Now, many players argue that and they are free to do so but this is the interpretation we run in our game. High humanity, “nice,” “sweet” vampires do not last. They either walk into the Sun, are killed because they are a threat or too annoying (to be blunt) or they give in and realize they are a Vampire, a predator, they have Beast and they must indulge it.

    To sum up-

    All Beasts are the same. They have urges and triggers, it varies from Clan to Clan, but there is not one Beast that is “better” than any other. They ALL want what they want when they want it and it is only through “negotiation” (Rolls that signify you character actively trying to stuff the Beast into the cage again, to “negotiate” with it, tame it temporarily) and sheer willpower (signified by spending willpower) that a Vampire can tame it temporarily, but eventually, your luck runs out and BOOM. Frenzy.


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