Agreed, though it is also in the Camarilla page I posted.
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RE: The Prince
This looks fine to me. Added in ‘stragglers’ after sabbat due to the elder wars, and included SI too.
The Prince is, to put it simply, the vampire who has enough power to hold domain over a city, codify the laws for that city and keep the peace. Such a position is typically held by an elder, for who but an elder has the necessary personal charisma and power to take and hold domain in a metropolis? In some small towns, younger vampires may be able to claim domain in the same way, but their claims are rarely respected by the coteries of the cities. On occasion, strange circumstances have placed younger vampires in a position to rule cities, but few such upstarts manage to hold their titles when the elders appear.
A Prince does not “reign” over a city. His role is more like that of an overseer or magistrate than that of a monarch. He is the judge who settles disputes between Kindred, the ultimate authority on the Traditions as they relate to his city, and the keeper of the peace. Above all, his concern is the Masquerade and its preservation. Whether this means he regularly scours his city for Sabbat stragglers, the SI, or keeps a stranglehold on the wilder elements is up to him. Not every prince realizes or cares that his power is meant to be so informal; indeed, some demand that they be treated like the kings of old, holding court and requiring that their fellow Kindred within the domain attend them as they pass royal pronouncements, as such is their right and their due.
I think this page is fine.
This is one position that many Princes would like to do without, but which occasionally is necessary. One rince described the filling of this position to be akin to choosing which knife to put at her throat. A Seneschal is meant to be a chamberlain, a second-in-command and an adviser to the prince. At any time, he may be asked to step into the prince’s place if she leaves town on business, abdicates or is slain.
Naturally, a Prince wishes to have final authority on such an important position, and many have fought endlessly with their Primogen over the subject. This is a dangerous position in more ways than one - familiarity with the subject can give one ideas…
RE: Primogen and the Primogen Council
The Primogen are usually drawn from the ranks of ancilla or ages neonates of each clan in a city. Most often, each clan has a representative Primogen, but in some cities a Prince refuses to allow a given clan to place a member on this council. In principle, Primogen represent their clans among the political body of kindred, but in practice the Primogen are more often an “elite vampires’ club” and an incestuous nest of treachery and favor-currying. Primogen - the term refers to individual members well as the collected body - convene at the Prince’s discretion. In cities with powerful or despotic Prince, the Primogen may be nothing more than figureheads, while in other cities Princes govern solely at the whim of the elder council.
It is worth noting that the Prince is often not the Primogen for his clan. Although some Kindred claim that having duplicate clans involved in the political structure weighs matters in favor of that clan, no one is really in a position to change it.
RE: Keeper of Elysium
Let’s go with the stub as it fits the game better (updated Brujah to Ventrue)
The Keeper is in charge of what goes on in Elysium. A Toreador wishing to display her latest work, a Tremere wanting to give a lecture, or a Ventrue scheduling an open debate on princely policies – all must clear things with the Keeper, who can cancel or approve an event on the grounds of preserving the Masquerade.
The Keeper is responsible for maintaining the laws of Elysium, ensuring that mortals do not enter the area during Elysium, and that events run smoothly. Most Keepers are appointed by the prince, often with the stipulation that their appointment is conditional until their qualifications are assured.
NB: I’m not sure if this is everything, but it is what I found in the core book and the Camarilla book. There’s some stuff in BJD, but that is pretty disparate, talks about the Laibon, and I’m not sure if we should use it.
The Middle Eastern counterpart to the Camarilla – the Ashirra – is entirely based on using Islam to temper the murderous impulses of the Blood. Still, ancestor worship is a widespread and accepted practice in the Camarilla,
with ancient methuselah like Mithras and the Dracon serving the function of saints. In some clans the Antediluvians have become objects of veneration – imagined as the embodied ideals of their bloodlines.
Just as the crusades of the past exposed the primitive warrior-kings of the West to the wonders of the Muslim world, the Gehenna War has made the Kindred world considerably smaller and brought the west much closer to the Ashirra. This is the name for a similar union in the Middle East. Some argue that the Ashirra are a different sect entirely, others that it is the same and that they were Camarilla long before those in the west, founded on principles of hiding among their mortal kin and remaining true to the pillars of Islam, even as they are tempted by the impulses of death. Co-operation is no less close than the bonds between Chicago and St Petersburg. Both Camarilla, but worlds apart. Both the Camarilla and Ashirra are not on the side of the people, of the millions who are turned away from refuge in their cities. They are in this to rule and survive. Diplomats, kings, businessmen, elite soldiers, cult leaders, and generals. The elite. Vampires. Thinking the Ashirra is a single thing, a single culture, is a prejudiced idea that may get one killed in the courts of the future. Consider this: among these new allies Saudi Princes can be found dining on the blood of women stoned to death for indidelity, a liberal IT-millionaire from Jordan, Turkish nationalists dreaming of the Ottoman empire, Kurdish freedom fighters and Persian nobles longing for the glorious days of disco in 1970’s Tehran. They all believe in Allah’s pillars. Yet none of them think and act in the same way.
Instead of Traditions, they use the five pillars of Islam as their code of conduct and as a bulwark against the Beast. To awake during day to pray to Mecca requires astounding self discipline, yet they all do it. Just as many in the Camarilla are also people of the book. These questions will be answered differently in every domain of the future. One will play host to a court ruled by a Cainite preachr and avoided like the plague by faithful Ashirra. Another will be run like a company by an Ashirra judge maintaining a strict front of impartiality while picking off the unjust one by one. A third will uphold a paranoid Prince trying to fan the rising flames of nationalism in his city to keep the future at bay.